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From: "trish shields" <trish_shields@bc.sympatico.ca>

I got mail coming out of my ears. I got people
who want to send money for ads, I got Dan, Becky,
Lisa, DSWriter, and others yapping why an ad in a
Hollywood Trade expressing concern over fan censorship
of 'The Way' is anathema...Stand-In>>

Well, for one...I think Sharon did say to hold off on any ad...she would be
the one with her finger on the pulse of things....but really, the reason I'm
writing this...

I took your remark about 'yapping' very seriously. I found it extremely
offensive to belittle these women and their fine work. I think it does them
and yourself a great disservice to act this way.

When you consider the time and effort these people and countless others have
put into this protest petition, I would think a load of thanks would be owed
not snide comments. JMO, but l think an apology is in order.

Trish

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From: Mist <cassetta@ix.netcom.com>

I've been reading your rhetoric about this issue for several weeks now, and
don't know what it is you expect to accomplish with the kind of agitation
you seem to want to incite. I don't agree with your postion, as I have
stated previously, but that isn't what bothers me about what you post. I am
always willing to listen to a reasoned and reasonable argument, and I don't
discount or dismiss another person's opinion because it doesn't agree with
mine. What bothers me about what you post, I realize, is that I can't quite
figure out what it is you really do want. Your delivery is very theatrical.
Intentionally so, it appears. Problem is, that delivery sets my antennae
twitching. Half the time I'm not sure if you're a misguided evangelist or a
used car salesman. I know what you say you want fans to do, but frankly,
your insistence on taking this to higher and higher levels (and always more
public ones) goes way beyond making a point with StudiosUSA. There is
something else working here. I don't understand it, and I can't put my
finger on it, but I am sure it is making me very uncomfortable.

> The people at USA Studios are aware of the
> petitions, they APPRECIATE your letters and
> concern over the matter. I would also like to say
> that they have no objection to fans placing an ad in
> Variety or any other publication expressing sincere
> feelings over the matter. I mentioned the idea of
> being a 'little' more visible with perhaps a group of
> 200 or a 1000 of us Xenites appearing in a friendly
> gathering expressing our concerns in front of the
> media, that did give a moment of pause, but met with
> no objections.

Do you now presume to speak for StudiosUSA? I don't recall seeing them issue
any statement that remotely sounds like what you are suggesting. Or did I
miss that?

You keep recounting these "chats" you're having with everyone from the local
TV affiliates to StudiosUSA. I have my reservations about the veracity of
those claims as well.

And the very idea of 1000 people attending this "friendly" gathering you
propose leaves me shivering. What are you thinking? What could you possibly
hope to accomplish with that? Who is going to orchestrate it? You? Sounds
like a recipe for disaster to me.

I think it is time you take a step back and examine what it is you are doing
and saying. This isn't about you. It isn't about me. It isn't about there
being some huge public hue and cry. It is about getting StudiosUSA to
reconsider its decision. It is not about embarrassing them, or anyone else
for that matter. It seems to me that you appear more interested in getting
attention brought to yourself and the fans than about the underlying issues.
Or why the need for a very public action such as the ad or the rally?

You've gotten a lot of good advice from Kit, dswriter, Becky, and a lot of
other people who you should take the time to listen to, and not just pay lip
service to the fact that they've attempted to make you reason out what you
are doing. A little bit of information with no attempt to apply rational
analysis is a very dangerous thing.


> In short, do what you will. This is our CHANCE not
> only to protest the pulling of an episode, but to make
> it known to the ENTIRE Industry that censorship of
> this kind is reprehensible. It's not just about the XAC
> Mailing List making a stand, it's not just about Xenites
> making a stand against this, it's about people who
> believe that a tv medium should be allowed to express
> itself freely and openly.

Personally, I resent that you are attempting to incite other fans to actions
that have repercussions that aren't being carefully considered or presented.
I also resent that you plan to do it in the name of fans of the show. That
group of fans includes me, and I (like many others) don't want my name
associated with any such ad placement. You're gung-ho to do something very
visible and dramatic, without thought to the consequences. I seriously
suggest you sit back and consider what you are suggesting.

Mistopholees

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From: Cindy Pavusek <spirit_of_artemis@yahoo.com>

I only saw bits and pieces of the movie, but I must say, I also believe
it went against all Bible accounts of Noah, Lot, the Ark, and Sodom and
Gomorrah. I was extrememly surprised to see how the writers of the
movie made Noah's sons to be such a sex-wanting group of boys. I think
the movie made a mockery of the whole story. How the children laughed
at Noah in the beginning when he was talking to God and seemed to be
dancing! I know that wasn't in the Bible. I agree with Mr. Osmun,
where are the Christians and Bible bearing people who should be asking
for cencorship of "Noah's Ark." If the Hindus are going to argue about
the fictionous manner of Krishna portrayed in "The Way," then
Christians should protest the fictionous manner of Noah and his story
in "Noah's Ark."

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From: Judi Mair <jmair@ais.net>

>>>> What would the ad be telling them actually? There are dozens
of ads in Variety each week. Most of them are lost in the jumble and
clutter. How would you insure that the ad would be noticed let alone
have
any effect at all?<<<<<

This is a very valid point...I worked to place an ad for another show
2 in fact...after months of hard work and nightmares to numerous to go
into
I felt it was a waste of time and money and it cause many hard feelings
all for nothing.

>>>Well there's the matter of designing the ad in a profession manner.
An eye
catching effective ad usually requires the services of a professional
advertising firm for the design.<<<<

Even with the services of a professional nothing is a given... ads
especially in Variety are not the place for making a point...I think
they tend to be more a platform for getting attention which I think the
petitions are already doing. I don't like the idea of trying to make the
studio look bad as much as I disagree with what they did. This tactic
more often then not backfires. It is very hard to make anything
eyecatching in black and white which is what you are going to get for
$2500.

>>>How do you propose accounting for the money and insuring it's proper
use to
the satisfaction of everyone?<<<

You don't, no matter how hard you try you will not please everyone only
adding to the fustration of those that work on getting the ad placed.
You can account for the money but you won't satisfy everyone. Been There
Done That

>>>If you collect more money than the ad requires, what are the
provisions for
the extra revenue? How do you account for it? Will there be an
audit?<<<

An audit may never happen but you better be prepared to answer to one.
Also if you think the solution of any extra revenue going to a charity
is reasonable...think again. This could quite possibly start another
ugly confrontation...you won't get everyone to agree on what charity...

>>>>Will the bank account be in your name? If not, who will have legal
control?
(I'm assuming you will want checks that will be deposited --- cash gets
stolen in the mail very easily, besides which it is untraceable.)<<<

the accountant who will be held accountable for an audit should be the
one to collect the funds..they should have one other person who is
verifying the contributions and that is it...you have more people
involved in collecting the money, you are asking for trouble...the
account should be set up so the contributors can direct deposit their
checks, we actually set up a foundation in order to cover this

>>>Will everyone who contributes money have approval over the final Ad
copy?
I doubt if people want their name and money associated with a pig in a
poke.
How are you going to coordinate the final copy?<<<<

Oh boy is this a good question :) the answer is they can't. They have to
trust the ad designer and the people placing the ad...and like I said
you won't please everyone, then after watch out for the slings and
arrows...you will need Xena there to catch them. We had a staff of seven
people who worked for months on a thankless project. Afterwards what
several people accuse us of was trying to make a name for ourselves.
That wasn't the case but in retrospect I can see why they thought that.
After all was said and done the only thing that really was accompolished
was everyone knew who the staff were....we got what little attention
that was generated even having one of us interviewd on "Access
Hollywood" and quoted in an article in "USA Today".

>>>I'm certain that Valerie at Variety is only too happy sell another
ad. Does
she work on commission by any chance?<<<<

This is very true...when we place our first ad, we had to jump through
hoops...getting everything okayed. You need permission for everything :)
and you have to be very careful how you word things..The first ad was
place in USA Today and was very expensive but they had stipulations that
had to be adhered to and we didn't want to be sued. The second ad was
placed as a goodbye to the show...the rep from Variety never asked us if
we had clearance to use pictures and let us name networks...The ad we
used in fact was rejected by the network and USA Today for the first one
.So I do think the above is a fair statement.

And for $2500 we are hoping they read the ad and take it to heart? If
5000
names on a petition don't get their attention, how can we expect one ad
to
have any effect. The names represent viewers. A single ad just
represents money.

I think spending that amount of money on something that is already being
achieved by hard work is not the way to go. If the need to spend money
is still there I like the donation route much better. Worse case people
who need help will get it.

You have some private revelation, Stand in? Tell us where YOU think
the
petition thing is going and WHY you think that, Stand in. Who have
YOU
talked to at Renaissance or Studios USA?

I also question why Stand-In who had the idea about the ad stops at not
getting involved in the actual process. When I first suggested placing
an ad a couple of years back I was the one "elected" to get the ball
rolling. I was the one who put together the staff and I was still there
at the end taking the crap from the unhappy campers. It is all well and
good to lay a foundation but if this is such a good idea why not go all
the way? Sorry if this is a bit harsh but I really don't think spending
money on an ad is going to advance what we intially set out to do. I
guess I am looking at this though jaded eyes but having had the
experience I just wanted to state that as good and exciting as this
sounds now, and it does, I fear it won't remain that way for long. It
might even end up taking away from the real issue here.I think I already
see that happenning. The industry knows what happenned they don't need
to see it in Variety and even if they do it won't make one bit of
difference. I think the petitions and letters are just a much better way
to go. I salute the people who are continuing on that path.

Judi
jmair@ais.net

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From imanumso@yahoo.com

I think donating to a charity is an excellent idea. As far as the question "How do we get recognized for it?" - no on on this list is in or knows somebody in the journalism profession? As far as capitalizing on a donation to gain regocnition - every time we mention the WVA we are giving them free publicity! As long as we donate to a worthy cause, and know it is needed, why shouldn't we benefit? How many celebrities donate or go to parties for the "in" charity? Many people use celebrity to bring awareness to a charity. Many people use a charity to gain celebrity. In either case, if the gesture for the charity is genuine, then both parties benefit. By making a donation with only a little press recognition, that's all we need to start the snowball rolling. An ad seems so pretentious. If we're gonna contribute money, let's put it to good use!

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From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

Ok, Xenites...

I got mail coming out of my ears. I got people
who want to send money for ads, I got Dan, Becky,
Lisa, DSWriter, and others yapping why an ad in a
Hollywood Trade expressing concern over fan censorship
of 'The Way' is anathema, I got all other kinds of mail...

So, to answer everyone in one post (and probably
initiate a whole other thread -- lol), let me just say
this:

The people at USA Studios are aware of the
petitions, they APPRECIATE your letters and
concern over the matter. I would also like to say
that they have no objection to fans placing an ad in
Variety or any other publication expressing sincere
feelings over the matter. I mentioned the idea of
being a 'little' more visible with perhaps a group of
200 or a 1000 of us Xenites appearing in a friendly
gathering expressing our concerns in front of the
media, that did give a moment of pause, but met with
no objections.

In short, do what you will. This is our CHANCE not
only to protest the pulling of an episode, but to make
it known to the ENTIRE Industry that censorship of
this kind is reprehensible. It's not just about the XAC
Mailing List making a stand, it's not just about Xenites
making a stand against this, it's about people who
believe that a tv medium should be allowed to express
itself freely and openly.

As you may know, the Exec Producer of Buffy the
Vampire Slayer, Joss Whedon decided to pull the episode,
Earshot, because it made reference to high school
massacres. That was his decision. Now, however, the
WB execs are so gunshy and spineless due to the media's
incessant, voyeuristic, sensationalistic daily focus on
high school violence, that they are thinking of cancelling
the final season finale of Buffy because it deals with
students carrying weapons (wooden stakes?) confronting
vamps or other assorted monsters and demons.

It's getting worse, guys, not better. Make your voices
HEARD not just to Studios USA but the ENTIRE Industry...
before precedents are set that solidify into immovable stone
that totally change the range, depth and expression of tv
entertainment forever and all we end up with are Disneyfied
versions of beloved shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and
Xena: Warrior Princess.

Don't let the Warrior Princess' battle cry ring hollow, nor let
it be stiffled to a whimper!

Stand-in

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From: "tammy " <tammytweet@angelfire.com>

From: DefiantHrt@aol.com
>
>Hello -
>
>After watching "The Bitter Suite" on USA tonight, I noticed a few things...
>(1) scenes were edited out - the one i notices was when Joxer pulls Gabby out
>of the river.
>
tammy replies--
USA network has a bad habit of editing their programs that are aired. they seem to do it to everything. they had chopped up 'heavy metal' to a point beyond recongnition. Movies as charming as 'A Christmas Story' have been guilloteened as well.
tammy

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From: DefiantHrt@aol.com

Hello -

After watching "The Bitter Suite" on USA tonight, I noticed a few things...
(1) scenes were edited out - the one i notices was when Joxer pulls Gabby out
of the river. she's supposed to spin through the air (naked) and then land
behind the bush. and, someone pointed another scene out to me. when
callisto's doing her "Song of the Fool" and she gets on top of Xena...
someone said this was omitted. i didn't notice this one.
(2) editing out certain words - Ares' classic line "Ding dong, the bitch is
dead" is now reduced to "Ding dong, the _____ is dead". and, when Xena says
"bastard" it is omitted. oddly enough, her remark of 'bastard' was left in
the beginning when she's on the mountain.

I have also noticed that USA edited out another "bad word" (ooh) in the
episode "The Price". And, Xena's NOTHING with their language. This is not
vulgar at all. Don't these people watch NYPD Blue where their language makes
ME blush and every other episode used to have a sex scene or a butt shot?

Okay, that's just my dos dinars. Thanks.

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From: Matthew Osmun <imanumso@yahoo.com>

Has anyone heard of any uproar over NBS's miniseries
"Noah"? Did anyone watch? My mother and stepfather,
who is a Baptist minister, said it was "the most
blasphemous" version of the Bible story they ever saw.
They only watched parts, and couldn't help but laugh
in disbelief. Anyway, my point is, as far as I'm
aware, no Christian groups protested the airing of the
program, which completely went against accounts of the
Bible in regards to Noah, Lot, and Soddom & Gamorrah.
I'm not sure if this could be a benefit or detriment
to us, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's
attention.

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From: DefiantHrt@aol.com

In a message dated 5/6/99 12:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lucy.tan@iapso.org writes:

<< I think since most everyone is willing to 'donate' money for the ad,
donating it to a charity would indeed make more sense. If we use just one
banner, like XAC, I'm sure we can get the media's attention. I wasn't overly
sure about the 'ad in the paper' route, but I'm all for THIS suggestion.

can everyone vote on this so we can start to flesh out the plan?
lucy >>

I think THIS is a good idea. Donate money in the name of XAC. That would
seem more appropriate. Also, we wouldn't have to worry about what to say in
the add.... if we would offend people...... if it would create bad
media......... if we would sound whiny.
I know that Sword and Staff works 'for the greater good' and donates all the
times in the name of Xena.

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I'LL BE SENDING MY HARD COPY PETITIONS....

From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

If you guys are getting people to sign the petitions and you
want them to mail these hardcopies in to someone, why
not have Lisa Jain as the recipient? If not her, I would
be glad to take them all.

In fact, after I get them all I wouldn't mind delivering
them 'personally' to Mr. Solomon or some other exec. You
know, shake their hand, and say: "Hi, just something from
the fans of Xena: Warrior Princess, Ken!"

Then, I think I'd ask Ken how he thinks we should word the
ad in Variety...lol! BTW, will someone pleeeeeeeease start
collecting the money for the ad cause I'm getting way too
many mails from people who say they want to send in
$20-30 at a time and I have to keep telling them, "NO, don't
send me the money! We gotta appoint someone first." Never
thought I'd be telling people I don't like money. (:

Also, starting this ad campaign will help dull the pain everytime
DSWriter calls me 'stupid'. LOL! Shhhhhhh! Don't tell DSWriter
I said that or she'll come after me again with her deadly quill.

Stand-in (:
(standing in IT)

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From: "Jim Shaffer, Jr." <jshaffer@csrlink.net>

Who asked them to show it to their young viewers in the first place? This
reminds me of Sky in the UK, who heavily censor certain episodes because they're
too violent for the children's time slot they're shown in, rather than moving
them out of the children's time slot. Of course, we're talking about a country
that spawned censorship advocates who thought "Dr. Who" was too scary for
children. (I wonder how Mary Whitehouse felt about her portrayal on Pink
Floyd's "Animals"?)

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From: "Gemma Dean-Furlong" <gemmaery@hotmail.com>

am I meant to send this to you? I don't really get it properly.
Anyway, I want The Way. In tons of movies and tv shows gods have been
represented as fictional; the greek gods in Herc ad Xena, the Christian god
in Monty Python skits and the Simpsons, and others that I can't think of
right now. But the point is that it IS fictional, it is not a true
representation of Krishna and no offense is intended. So please let us have
The Way

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From: "Maria" <takacs-lambert.msn@attcanada.net>

I do believe that it is a GOOD idea for Lucy NOT to get involved with
this personally. After all she "just works there and follows instructions".
Please excuse me for this but I believe most of us agree ? This is her job
and the decisions are in TPTB and Studios USA hands. Her involvement might
even backfire. The actors only do the job that they are given. And most of
the time they not sure what the outcome will be until they themselves see
the finished product. By that time they (actors) don't really have much to
do with the show, or even if they don't like it, it's a bit too late. As I
said THE POWERS are the decision makers. I also believe it is their job to
clean up the mess, so to speak. (Especially since they are the ones who
created this mess IMHO for loosing they "backbone")
OK. So how much trouble am I in now ?
Everyone keep up the good work.............a n d ........

BATTLE ON..............FOR THE GREATER GOOD...............

Maria (FTGWN)

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From: Pawkat@aol.com

Hi
I just finished reading your letter to Ms. Woodell. I am so truly happy
that you wrote an excellant letter to her and conforted her on every
point(with her own quotes) she stated and indeed showed her that she did not
do her homework very well.
Perhaps she might think twice before writing about something she has no
idea about. Or else she will take the time to research it before making an
ass of herself.
It is inspired letters like yours that will do our cause alot more good
than the bad mouthing and accusing letters.
I have been here since the beginning of this campaign and everyone is doing
such a fanastic job of organizing and finding out the addresses/e-mails /etc.
It is amazing that all of us who didn't each other have become close and
working for the greater good.

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From: "Angelica Dominguez Moussier" <angie01@mixmail.com>

Hi guys !

I'm a Mexican Xena fan and have followed the things about
the censorship of The Way.
I'm really interested in this because we are dealing with
something that can't be happening when we are so close to
the 21st. century: Intolerance.
How, or should I say Why, a minor group of people can decide
wether en episode or the complete series can be on or off
tv??
Don't they know the freedom of choice?
If they don't like something, then they should avoid seing
it, and let us all see what we like. But I don't consider
fair that just a bunch of intolerant close-minded people
have the power on that.

I could say a lot more, but this time, what I really need is
someone to tell me how can I help ?

We don't have the same episodes as the ones you have, here
Xena just started again after Sins of the Past, I think,
sorry, but I don't remember names that well.
Anyway, that chapter was the end of a season, and I guess
they don't have the next chapters, so I haven't had the
chance to see The way. I know what it is about, but is not
the same.
My point is that I need someone to tell me how can I help, i
signed the petition and every poll I've seen, but I'm really
limited because of the broadcasting thing.

I'll really appreciate if anyone could give me a hint on
what to do, and keep me up to date on what happens.

Thank you.

Angie Dominguez.
(525)537-47-56

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From: "George Bone" <george_bone@hotmail.com>

For those that didn't read it it's at:

http://www.phillynews.com/daily_news/99/Apr/27/opinion/DEBB27.htm

I found people were mentioning it on the list but had to go hunt it
down as nobody had mentioned where we could see it.

Ms Woodell is clearly clueless. No wonder her normal place is on the
sports desk - from this piece it seems clear that this is where she
belongs. It was very appropriate that she was listening to Dire
Straits "Money for Nothing" as she was writing the article as that's
exactly what she was being paid for.

Others have gone through the points one by one so I wont bother to
waste my time on her pathetic drivel here although I would be
interested to see what in her opinion constitutes her bizarre concept
of "valid" censorship. Perhaps cancellation of a ball game to make
way for a news of Kosovo?

I suppose it's to be expected that someone from a sports desk
background would consider Art a competition where some works are more
important then others and to assume the unimportant ones (in their
opinion) don't matter if they are censored.

What a shame she cannot, given the chance, write something more
intelligent, rewarding and insiteful then the sports results. Perhaps
it makes it easier when she has hunky football heroes to concentrate
on while listening to Knopflers dweedling on her cheesy stereo,
rather then these silly women living in some sort of fantasy land and
practising weird sex (as she seems to believe).

What more can I say?

gb.

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26 Apr 1999

From: "Alicia Lewis" <aleatha@mailcity.com>

I know that we are all thinking of good points to make, if anyone wishes to appropriate any of these, be my guest. This is more concerned with the London complaint.

In a world where day time drama hawks sexual promiscuity and irresponsible, grasping greed the hullaboo surrounding Xena with regards to young children being exposed to objectionable material seems ludicrous. Television is a powerful form of expression and will be misused as often as it is well-used. Parents have the obligation to monitor their children's exposure to programs and put violence and sexual activity into the proper context; ratings and later time slots for more expicit programming is one way in which producers help their viewers accomplish this objective. But in the end there is no possible way for television executives to protect our young, expecially since that is our job.

No, the show is not too "hot", it is rather well done. Parents can choose to turn the program off if they are concerned for their children. They can also sit and watch the program with their children, discussing what has occured and how it makes their child feel. Or they can blame the show for being too violent and do nothing at all. But to deny others their right to view is truly unnecessary.
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From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

These and many more films depicting Krishna in a
fictional, sometimes humorous if not irreverent manner,
and available on video and complete with film reviews may
be found using search engines like Alta Vista.

Gang, we've gotta compile a list of titles along with short
plot summaries mentioning the use of Krishna or some other
Hindu deity, send them to Studios USA, have Ken Solomon
send someone into the Indian community in the Los Angeles
area so they can rent these titles and see first hand that Indian
filmakers, here, in Canada, and in India, do make films, tv
shows, music videos that use the character of Krishna.

Boy, will the execs of Studio USA feel foolish then.

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From: "Becky Calvert" <lostkiwi@worldnet.att.net>

I agree with Kicker. There is a good chance the Buffy ep will air later in
the line up. This would be humane and sensitive. The same thing happened
with 2 movies--Space Camp which was to open the week or two before the
shuttle accident, and Marooned which was due out about the time of the
Apollo 13 accident. Both movies were pulled back and released at a later
date, but they were released. I think the same will happen with the Buffy
episode--or at least I hope so. However taking an episode out because it
reflects a recent true life tragedy is good sense and psychologically
beneficial for everyone involved. Removing an episode from worldwide
syndication because a few people get their feelings hurt or "Their God" is
no longer "Top God" is a whole other issue--the one we are protesting
about.

Becky Calvert
Commander in Chief
SSPA/NBB
<http://www.nutbread.com>

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From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

Suddenly, I've become Censor Sensitive. Because
of my involvement in the campaign to reinstate the
airing of 'The Way,' I can't help but notice the many
other art forms or tv or films that have been blacklisted,
sabotaged, or covered up because some critic or
someone in a position higher up decided it wasn't fit for
public viewing.

Last night, as I watched a documentary on the
restoration of the Sistine Chapel and the last Judgement,
I couldn't help but become fascinated by the secrets
revealed as Italian restorers cleaned away hundreds of
years of dirt and paint put on by artists other than
Michelangelo for reasons of censorship. The countless
loincloths that were painted on the various lifeforms in an
effort to make the scene more 'decent' in the 16th century
were stripped away. In one case, one such cleaning revealed
that Michelangelo had a wicked sense of humor and
revenge in that he had caricaturized someone who was
famous for criticizing Michelangelo's work, showing the
critic being dragged down to hell and tortured by a snake.

One of the great movie classics, considered the greatest
film ever made is Citizen Kane. I'll never watch that film or
think of it the same way since viewing documentaries about
the story behind the film. It's no secret that the film was a
stab by Orson Welles at newspaper king, William Randolph
Hearst, but I didn't realize how deep a stab it was. The
immortal last word of the dying Kane is: "Rosebud." The
unknowing viewer is left to contemplate that it was an
expression of Kane's longing for a lost childhood symbolized
by a toy snow sled that had 'Rosebud' painted on it. Yet,
in an in-depth PBS special, it is shown that 'Rosebud' was
Hearst's pet name for his mistress' genitals. No wonder
Hearst sought so hard to have the film blackballed and did
so quite successfully.

Just yesterday, the latest incident of censorship, an over-
reaction to the mass murders in the Colorado high school
appeared...

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TV shows, films cancelled
due to massacre
By CLAIRE BICKLEY -- Toronto Sun

National youthcaster YTV decided not to
air next week's episode of Buffy The
Vampire Slayer, in which the evil-fighting
teenager overhears a mass murder plot at
her high school and must keep it from
being carried out.

YTV, the series' national Canadian
carrier, will substitute a Buffy rerun in the
timeslot a week from Saturday.

"We're pulling the episode. We won't be
airing it," said YTV spokesperson Laura
Heath.

"It's not appropriate at this time. Our
programming people are parents and it's
just, as a parent, it would be offensive to
air something like that."

Buffy's local broadcaster, Barrie's VR,
will withhold judgment until they can
screen the episode this weekend. VR airs
Buffy Monday nights at 8.

"It may still run. At this point, we've
decided to see it ourselves and make the
decision on behalf of ourselves," said VR
spokesperson Anita Cenerini.

Buffy's U.S. broadcaster The WB had
not made a decision late yesterday about
whether to air the episode, titled Earshot,
which they would show Tuesday night at 8
and which would be available here on WB
superstations WGN and WPIX.

Earshot was to have been the first original
Buffy after weeks of reruns.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Where do we draw the line? Who decides what is
appropriate and what is not? I'm sure many of us would
agree that the censorship of Michelangelo's paintings is
laughable, but the people back then must have thought
it highly appropriate and the socially/morally correct
thing to do. Is there alot of over-reaction to art
mediums especially in the case of a tv fantasy series
like Buffy and Xena? Most of us would say yes in the
case of the recent censorship of 'The Way,' but now
with the school massacre incident, how many would
say "Maybe not," in the case of the Buffy episode
which touches upon the idea of a school massacre?

Something to think about.

Stand-in

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From: MelosaQu@aol.com

Agreed. I, for one, wouldn't even know *what* to boycott....seems like there
are different sponsors for different affiliates. I don't pay much attention
to the commercials and don't really buy what they try to sell.....so a
boycott, for me, would be out. I certainly wouldn't boycott the
show/program/series I enjoyed. As for WGN (as an example)....that station
has saved my viewing pleasure many a time! When my local station chose to
pre-empt XWP to show a sports program or game....WGN has *always* been my
saving factor, my backup!....Bless You, WGN!! <G> Besides....violence begets
violence (figuratively, not literally here).....do we really want to be part
of that?

Just my thoughts....

Kim

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This is from Lynne.......listen to the commander........

And for me, I agree.......without reservation.... While this may be just
my opinion...allow me to put in something I felt strongly about.....

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the

process he (she) does not beome a monster. (FriedrichNietzsche)

I still think to write letters of support for artistic freedom, and the
impact of censorship in the media is still a better way to go..... quality,
quantity will win out here......and letting them know that this is how the
masses of their viewership (is this a word?) feels about The Way, and Xena
overall still seems better....of course the "other" side purported to
represent their masses too.......People who trust their leaders will, and I
do in this cause. Let me tell you about my experiences during military
service in the Viet Nam Era sometime......privately........ We all know the
power of a word.......dyke, fag, pervert, racial slurs, so let's not use
terms that scare the bejesus out of the media....(and I wonder if it
would)....boycott.......

Battle on !!!!!!!!!!! for The Greater Good !!!!!!!!!

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From: "Becky Calvert" <lostkiwi@worldnet.att.net>

Do we really want to play as dirty and stoop as low as the
fundamentalists??
I think we can accomplish our goals and still remain civilized and
non-threatening.
And our counter protest is just now picking up speed. Let's see where we
go before we even consider acting as our adversaries did.

Becky Calvert

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From: DefiantHrt@aol.com

In a message dated 4/20/99 11:41:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MelosaQu@aol.com writes:

<< However, I personally don't have a problem with TPTB putting a
disclaimer at the beginning of the episode.....Buffy does and occasionally
so
does the X-Files. Although, XWP does put a disclaimer (no, I am not talking
about the humorous ones! <G>) at the end of each episode, I guess this time
it didn't count, eh? ::::sigh:::: >>

I think this is a very good point. On every Xena episode, it clearly
states (after the humorous Disclaimer and "Filmed entirely on location...")
that the events depicted are fictitious and any similarities (you know the
wording) is coincidental.
This is a good point to bring up, because with that disclaimer, there is
no cause for "complaints and protests" from those who wanted it removed from
syndication.
I also feel that the first point of Krishna being depicted inaccurately
was simply sugarcoating for the real "problem" with the episode - point
2...the subtext. And, with this realization, it makes me even more mad.
This is not about an inaccurate depiction of a god; it truly is a case of
hate mail and homophobia.

Thanks for listening.

-DefiantHrt-

"We all eventually become what we pretend we are." [Blind Faith]

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Actually, I was thinking of a counter-boycott against the show's commericial
sponsors, but only if they were initially threatened with boycotts from the
other side. As for a boycott of StudioUSA's other shows, how would they know
if those shows were being boycotted? How do you let a producer know you're not
watching his shows unless you're part of the Nielsen rating survey group?

Bongo Bear - the it Bear.

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From: Simone <samwin@labyrinth.net.au>

I must say that people are coming up with great ideas on how to get the
way back on air. Things such as changing the name of Krishna, putting a
warning at the start etc (sorry I dont remember who said what!) I know
there have been other ideas, but a big problem is that we are telling
XAC and not those that matter, the studios. So, I think if we can set up
some sort of idea list, making it as extensive as possible and sending
it to them, we will be showing we are not just protesting, but we are
also willing to help give ideas on re-instating it. Some may feel its a
cop out, but I think we need as much positive action as well as the
protesting.

Does anyone have the resources to set this up???

Simone

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Hi folks, I don't know about you, but I've written more letters for this cause since the French were nuking the South Pacific, and I really, really believe that we should keep on pushing and pushing until the public pressure works.

Anyways, I thought I might bring up another item which might bring some bearing to our cause, the film Lolita took some time getting to our shores (Australian, but I understand the Americans had the same debate) because of fundamentalists of a different type (heh but they are all the same really), wanting this show censored because of misconceptions (once again many had not seen the film). I have this from the website of SBS television http://www.sbs.com.au/ and I think it sums up our cause as well.

.
Lolita Debate

I know that many of you are sick to death of the Lolita Issue but in fact the issue is not about Lolita at all, it's about the climate in this country at the moment that is inclined to repress information, art, film and literature. And why we are so concerned about this issue on the Movie Show is that we actually love film, we regard it as an art form in all its manifestations. We think that the vast majority of adults in this country are responsible and are able to view provocative material with some degree of judgement. We've been so invigorated by the response we've had to our invitation to you to participate in this debate. I want you to know that I've read every letter and there were over three hundred and we thank you for them.

All but 5 of the messages we received express dismay at the thought that Lolita might be banned. Some of you took the argument further:

Quote: "The film Lolita is not the issue....The issue of the government wanting to dictate, filter, control and monitor the content of what the general public are allowed to see is an enormous issue." Unquote.

Out of the hundreds of communications there were, as I said, only five opposed to the screening of Lolita in this country. It is misrepresentative to give you an example, but in the interests of open debate I will...

Quote: 'I hope this movie is banned! I hope that the public sees you for what you really are - SICK!' unquote.

The censorship issue is an important public debate in this country - and therefore we think it's important that our policy-makers are aware of the overwhelming response we've received. For that reason we've decided to pass on your comments to the Government so they're aware of the depth of feeling that's been expressed. If anyone has any objections to their letter or email being forwarded, please let us know within the next week and we will withhold those.

Which is exactly how we feel about "The Way". This censorship issue has been successfully protested to a degree and it shows that PEOPLE POWER can work.

OK, if you want some more information on the Lolita censorship (and if anyone can see how we can use that to help our cause other then example go ahead lol).

I found this information on this site

Free Speech, Toleration, Civil Liberties
Australia, New Zealand and Oceania

http://www.freemarket.net/directory/news/T12/R6/

and this website.

http://www.efa.org.au/Publish/PR990315.html

Dana

Keep Cool

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From Beboman:

I have been contacting all my friends on the net and asking them that even if they are not fans of Xena if they are willing to sign the petition for us and join in the cause, so far all have said yes and I have linked them the petition page. Maybe if we all do the same we might get more people to join us.

Also maybe we can print the petition page and go to the local supermarket and spend a few hour there and see how many people sign the petition and then those hardcopies to USA Network.

I know that is the old fashion way but I think we can use all the signatures we can get,

What do you all think, let me know.

Be Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beboman

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Hi again guys.

At local television show in Australia called "Foreign Correspondent" ABC Station. Has just had an article on the Indian movie "Fire" and how it was received in India. (not very well).

For those who don't know, this movie featured a lesbian love affair:

Fire in the Belly

We are being told all the time what we can do, what we can't. What we can see, what we can't. That to me is like the beginning of fascism."
Deepa Mehta. Film Director

In India they're redefining the term 'Box office smash' over Deepa Mehta's film 'Fire'. Storm troopers from the Hindu fundamentalist Shiv Sena party have trashed cinemas that dare to show the film and issued death threats against the Director and actors. By western standards 'Fire' is a very mild film about women's independence with hints of lesbianism, a sort of 'Thelma and Louise' in saris. The film has become a focus for a rapidly deteriorating battle between liberal tolerant India and the passions unleashed by Shiv Sena's cultural and religious intolerance.

Anyways, this show has a website, with a discussion page. Since the pressure to censor "Fire" is similar in nature to our cause, I thought it would be a good idea to put my two dinars in - the website is:

http://www2.abc.net.au/foreign/forum10

It might get more Hindus involved with our cause, as has been said before, this is more than just the ban of a light entertainment show, this is about our basic freedom of expression. I had some pretty strange replies to my post tho lol.

So check out the site.

Bye

Dana

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From: Frankie Radford <fradford@yahoo.com>

--- cjkruger@email.com wrote:
> From: cjkruger@email.com
>
>
--- cjkruger@email.com wrote:
> From: cjkruger@email.com
>
> I just had a thought-believe it or not!!
> What if the character of "krishna" was given another
> name.I mean if "they're" upset about the portrayal
> of krishna, why not just change the name.BUT I
> suppose they would find something wrong with that
> too.
### The issue is a red herring.It is not the name of Krishna that is
the problem but it is the fact that Xena was not suitably repectful or
supplicant in his presence and actually had a dialogue with him
replaying a conversation he reportedly had with Arjuna his
charioteer.Hindiuism has split in to two schools those who worhip shiva
as the greatest of the godhead (Brahma Vishnu Shiva)and those who
considered Vishnu to be supreme.The worship of Krishna began in Bengal
India by Caitanya in the 15th century who insisted that Vishnu was an
incarnation of Krishna and that Lord Krishna was supreme These ideas
were revived in the 20th century and made palatable to Westerners by
Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada who brought them to the US in 1965.In the free
society of the U.S. these ideas flourished religiously and economically
in perfect freedom.The basic freedom that a Free Society provides.The
issue has gone much further than the original issue of religious
proseltyzing and now seeks to impose its will on the system that has
nourished it.Allowing this kind of political censorship sets a
dangerous precedent for the future of democracy as we know it.America
wake up and smell the coffee.Facism has hidden behind religion in the
past and will continue to do so unless we nip this present appearance
in the bud.Everyone's freedom of speech is at stake here Christian Jew
and Moslem and we must defend against a descent in to the MCarthyism of
the past when our Writers and Artists were blacklisted.We must hold
Corporations responsible when our basic freedoms are held hostage for
the sake of Capitalistic economies and profits are valued above that of
freedom and democracy.

> I think the idea of combining all our efforts is an
> excellent idea.Let us know what we can do.
> I would like to know though what Lucy and Renee
> think about all of this.Are they on our side or are
> they sitting on the fence watching.A interview or
> input from them to show their "appreciation" or any
> other feeling for that matter would be inspiring and
> at least show us and those we oppose that the people
> we're standing up for also believe in our cause.Do
> they even know about us? I'd alsolike to know why,if
> it was his favourite episode yet,Rob gave up so
> easily.It's one thing to apologise about it but to
> take it out completely makes me think he's not able
> to stand by his work.I hope that's not the
> case.Maybe a word from him to us.the people standing
> up for HIS creation wouldn't hurt.

### I think we have to be the voice of the people which would include
Mr Tapert,Ms Lawless and Ms Oconner
> How do we contact them?
### Through Renaissance Pictures.
> I hope I have said everything.Thoughts pop into my
> head during the day and always when I'm away from a
> computer.
> Anyhow,we need a list of what we can do and where to
> send protests and emails.So somebody create a
> list and well list them.
> ### I enjoyed your comments and applaud your efforts.
fradford

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From: Virginia V Kelly <vkellyian@compuserve.com>

Let's do it. I hope we haven't cooled off too much. We need to spend at
lease a few more weeks to a month on this. Remember, the folks who
protested this situation in the first place protested well over two months,
if I have the info. correct.

In the meantime, I've alerted a number of gay and lesbian mags in the U.S.
and have gotten an inquiry back from one so far.

Unfortunately, I'm not a graphic artist, but I can desktop publish and scan
with the best of 'em!

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From: srasmuss@webtv.net (Sue Rasmussen)

I have been reading about the ideas tonight to spread this further
reaching more people who don't have computers.
Someone mentioned the sci-fi conventions. How about the xena and
Hercules conventions. The May convention in Orlando would be a good
place to spread the word about XAC.

Lang mey yer tum reek

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From: KimyooFilm@aol.com

In a message dated 4/26/99 1:22:47 AM, you wrote:

<<I beg to differ with you. RenPics had no choice in the matter as to pulling
the episode, they didn't want to in the least. Furthermore, no one shouted
"Help!" at all. I'm sure you must have some idea how this business works,and
realize that the true ones interested in only the money aspect is the
distributors, in this case Studios USA. If they weren't interested in the
fans at all, there would be not much of a convention lineup, or even the
interest some of the staff has shown by going into chats as they have. As for
Rob Tapert not being a filmaker, not technically, but I'd like to point out
that he was highly involved in making of the Evil Dead films, as well as a
terrific director of several episodes of Xena (usually my favorites). His
hand is in every aspect of the shows. He's no mere producer, and believe me,
I've met plenty.
>>

I haven't been on in a while, but I'd like to point out that I have read more
about this and I agree that it does seem that Studios USA is the ultimate
culprit in the pulling of the episode. The whole reason why I started
watching Xena in the first place was because it was a Raimi production - I've
been a fan of his / theirs for years. I'm very familiar with the job of
producer, there are certain duties one must do that I absolutely abhor.
Because of this I know that it's not just the distributers that are concerned
with bringing in the money. RenPicts is Raimi's and Tapert's, therefore they
are heavily concerned with the income. If they don't produce a moneymaking
product for Studios USA, then they don't make money for their company to make
more products and more money, etc, etc. I would think that they have some
sort of say as to what happens to their product.

<<Another big disagreement there, too! There has never been such a gay
friendly
show...(with the exception of Ellen,but look what happened to that). Liz
Friedman is an out lesbian for crying out loud. I truly appreciate the winks
and nods the show has always made toward the gay audiences. FF&G had tons of
subtext in it.
True, Hollywood could definitely use some work in that dept., especially
considering so many that work in the industry are indeed gay. Everyone is
just afraid of alienating 'middle america' possibly, which boils down to
money. I am also well aware of a similar thing with how the industry treats
people with disabilities in the past, but things are improving there, too.
Disability activist have protested many films and shows as well, I don't
always agree. On this, I do think a counter protest was in order. I would
feel no different if it were a christian group that did this, I've seen some
do appalling attempts at censorship. The ones to target here is indeed the
distributors, not RenPics, not the Hindu group, naturally. Xenites have
learned a lot from our show, and letting our voices be heard in unison like
this, is a terrific thing to behold. >>

I adore the subtext. I live for it, in a manner of speaking. "Fins, Femmes,
and Gems" is one of my absolute favourite episodes ever. I just don't like
LL's comment in this week's TV Guide about it being a big joke. I realize it
wasn't intended at first, but it's a joke? A joke. Hmmm.............

It's all about Middle America and the green papers and clinky change in their
pockets. It's gonna take years to remove stereotypes. I'm relieved that
deleted scenes from Old Hollywood films made during the daysof the Hays
Office are being reinserted. Old Hollywood was just as "decadent" as New
Hollyweird. I was watching Turner Classic Movies the other night and they
were showing a documentary about film restoration. Hollyweird has hardly
changed -the watchdogs have, but the theme of the Legion of Decency is still
prevalent. Things are slowly progressing, but the key word is slowly.

I'm wonderfully stupified at the support shown here and I'm participating
too. I'm just scared of the "Xenalots" who are practically taking up arms to
defend their show. I don't have enough time to go through all the letters
here so I don't know who's a Xenite and who's a Xenalot. There are many who
would probably feel different about it if it were a more "local" effort. "If
the Hindus say it's wrong, THEY'RE wrong, but if Jerry Falwell says it's
wrong ,well then...it must be wrong."

<<Just my two dinars :)>>

And thank the Gods for it! =)

ROCk a little and Battle On!

Magenta

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From: bookdaft <bookdaft@voyager.net>

Hi all,

I stopped today to pick up my comics and got into a discussion of "The
Way", Hindus/Indians and other things with my comic store manager. One
thing became clear: People don't really understand what the ban means. He
and I had been talking about it last week and he mentioned in our
conversation today that another customer, who had overheard our
conversation, told him that he had thought the episode would still come out
on video. We need to emphasize that not only will the episode not be aired
again, it won't ever be available (without significant rewriting) in any
medium.

My comic store guy, as rabid a freedom-of-choice and -speech fan as I am,
offered to host a petition in his store. It then occurred to me that we
are too narrow in focus if we stay only with the Internet. It is a great
means of communication, but not everyone has a computer. I have friends
who are computerless and, obviously, wireless.

Since I am behind in reading my e-mail, forgive me if this has already been
mentioned. I suggest to those of you who are comfortable doing it, to
contact either your local library or bookstore and ask if you can leave a
hard copy petition with them. You will probably have to explain the
situation to them and they may refuse, but both libraries and bookstores
strongly believe in the freedom of speech and choice and they would be most
likely to let you leave a petition with them.

I'm going to get permission from the website(s) that have the online
petition to use their wording, but I'll transfer it to paper and leave it
with my comic store guy. I'll also leave a couple of website URLs with him
for the petition and other resources we have available to us online. He is
located near Michigan State University and gets many of the students from
there. They should have access to the Internet and it would be natural for
them to check it out.

bd

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From: "Catherine M. Wilson" <cmwilson@wildestdreams.org>

Hawk wrote:

> What does everyone think? Should we form some sort of 'official'
> organization, or has everyone pretty much cooled off by now?

I think we already *are* an organization. Not an official one, of
course, but in our diversity is our strength, in my opinion.

We are many different kinds of people with many different talents,
and we are pooling them via this list in order to achieve a
common goal. The trouble with organizing is that the organizing
itself takes up energy that could better be spent on doing our
part in the protest.

I think we can refer to Xenites Against Censorship without being
in any way 'official.' So we can have all the benefits of an
organization without the baggage.

It seems to me that each of us has managed to find a niche where
we can best use our own particular talents. I think we should
go on as we have been. Once the letters and e-mails have been
written, probably the best and easiest thing to do is get more
names on our petition, so that every week or so another fat
package will land on someone's desk.

;->

Kit

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From: xenasis@yahoo.com

Greetings Fellow Xenites,
I like you have been appalled at the pulling of The Way and the censorship surrounding it. I have sent letters to my local station (from which I recieved a very nice letter in support of The Way) and to Studio USA.
I fear however that we are not making the waves needed to reinstate The Way. Each day that goes by with no rsponse from Studio Usa is a day we lose support and the chance to have this episode reinstated.
We must act fast my friends and make our voices heard.
To get Studio USA to pay attention we must hit them where it counts. The wallet. Until they realize how much we fans are responsible for the true success of their network we will have no chance.
We can contact the stockholders. Let them know that the folks that pay the way are unhappy about their decision. We can boycott the network for 24 hours to let them see how many of us there really are. I am open to other suggestions as well. I just know that we cannot lose this battle. It is too important.
Censorship in any Culture is appalling. The Studio was dupped by this group and they want to save face.
We simply have to make them see that we are willing to boycott as well. THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR VIOLENCE!
That would defeat everything Xenites stand for.
Xena stands for the little guy. Good against evil and folks a big evil has reared its head.
This show has done something no other show has. It has united those of different, races, ages, sexes, lifestyles, education and economic backgrounds. That is an impressive feat and not an easy one. I don't want to lose this.
I support Mr Tappert, Ren Pic and the staff and crew that worked on this episode. They created a show that stired my interest in the Hindu culture. That interest has waned in the insuing Controversy.
My final words to you. Fight for your rights. Not with violence but with your brains and other skills. My motto and that of my tribe members on the net is SHOW ME THE WAY!
USA Studios--- SHOW US THE WAY!
April

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From: "MARTINE DE GRAUW" <dynamicone@hotmail.com>

Silea,

Very good idea. A friend of mine who lives in the Netherlands (and
I'm in Belgium) received the original episode from a USA friend.
She looked at it and asked why there is a protest anyhow! It seems
there is nothing wrong with the episode! Althoug some very hard
scenes regarding Gaby and Xena, but only a few! For the rest there
is much and good subtext in acting (we know already that Lucy and
Renée are great actresses). There is nothing else to protest too,
according to my friend.

So, please, write to those Hindu's. I can always support you if you
give me some addresses!

A belgian Xenite
Martine

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From: "Silea Lawless" <sileakicksbutt@hotmail.com>

Hi Guys- listen, I've been thinking. We've been writing letters,
emails etc. to Channel Ten protesting the censorship, all of which
will probably have little effect, as Studios USA is the big boss.
However, perhaps, in order to give our argument some weight, as
someone suggested earlier (sorry, can't remember who :-) that we
should get the support of Hindu's who have seen or have heard about
this episode and don't have a problem with it. Undoubtably, Hindu's
in Australia would have been informed of the Hindu protest,
especially if they belong to Organisations. Why don't we start
writing to these Hindu organisations in Aus and see what they think?
After all, if we write to Ten and Studios USA, showing them that
(hopefully) the tide has turned in favour of the episode here in Aus,
it'll give our letters more weight. I know that the main problem we
have is that we haven't seen "The Way" yet, but it's worth a shot.
What do you think?
Silea

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From: cjkruger@email.com

I just had a thought-believe it or not!!
What if the character of "krishna" was given another name.I mean if "they're" upset about the portrayal of krishna, why not just change the name.BUT I suppose they would find something wrong with that too.
I think the idea of combining all our efforts is an excellent idea.Let us know what we can do.
I would like to know though what Lucy and Renee think about all of this.Are they on our side or are they sitting on the fence watching.A interview or input from them to show their "appreciation" or any other feeling for that matter would be inspiring and at least show us and those we oppose that the people we're standing up for also believe in our cause.Do they even know about us? I'd alsolike to know why,if it was his favourite episode yet,Rob gave up so easily.It's one thing to apologise about it but to take it out completely makes me think he's not able to stand by his work.I hope that's not the case.Maybe a word from him to us.the people standing up for HIS creation wouldn't hurt.
How do we contact them?
I hope I have said everything.Thoughts pop into my head during the day and always when I'm away from a computer.
Anyhow,we need a list of what we can do and where to send protests and emails.So somebody create a
list and well list them.

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From: xenasis@yahoo.com

Greetings Fellow Xenites,
I like you have been appalled at the pulling of The Way and the censorship surrounding it. I have sent letters to my local station (from which I recieved a very nice letter in support of The Way) and to Studio USA.
I fear however that we are not making the waves needed to reinstate The Way. Each day that goes by with no rsponse from Studio Usa is a day we lose support and the chance to have this episode reinstated.
We must act fast my friends and make our voices heard.
To get Studio USA to pay attention we must hit them where it counts. The wallet. Until they realize how much we fans are responsible for the true success of their network we will have no chance.
We can contact the stockholders. Let them know that the folks that pay the way are unhappy about their decision. We can boycott the network for 24 hours to let them see how many of us there really are. I am open to other suggestions as well. I just know that we cannot lose this battle. It is too important.
Censorship in any Culture is appalling. The Studio was dupped by this group and they want to save face.
We simply have to make them see that we are willing to boycott as well. THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR VIOLENCE!
That would defeat everything Xenites stand for.
Xena stands for the little guy. Good against evil and folks a big evil has reared its head.
This show has done something no other show has. It has united those of different, races, ages, sexes, lifestyles, education and economic backgrounds. That is an impressive feat and not an easy one. I don't want to lose this.
I support Mr Tappert, Ren Pic and the staff and crew that worked on this episode. They created a show that stired my interest in the Hindu culture. That interest has waned in the insuing Controversy.
My final words to you. Fight for your rights. Not with violence but with your brains and other skills. My motto and that of my tribe members on the net is SHOW ME THE WAY!
USA Studios--- SHOW US THE WAY!
April

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From: bookdaft <bookdaft@voyager.net>

Hi guys,

I read Hawk's post and agree we need to get more people involved. If an
organization is what it takes, then go for it. Fan clubs once did this.

I've been working on trying to get the science fiction community involved.
These are the people who worked at getting the original STAR TREK into
movies after working to save the show for a third season. They are VERY
anti-censorship and pro-freedom-of-choice. Why else would they stand the
abuse they have from the mundanes over the years?

So, I'm on staff of an upcoming science fiction convention to be held in
beautiful Lansing, Michigan during the Memorial Day weekend. We get fans
coming in from all over the country, and outside as well (mostly Canada).
Convention membership runs around 800-900 people. The con committee
co-chair is a good friend of mine and he offered to publish something about
the episode. I'm posting what I sent to him below. (By the way, the
Jeanne mentioned below is the gopher captain/con suite organizer.)
____________________________________________________________
'Xena is Sitting on the Hellmouth OR: Xena Loses Her "Way"'

In the tradition of fine corporate pusillanimity, Studios USA, distributor
of Xena: Warrior Princess has pulled an episode of the show, entitled "The
Way", from worldwide syndication. This means it will be seen nowhere, no
time, and very likely never again (sorry about the triple negative).

For those who haven't heard about the controversy, Renaissance Pictures,
which produces Xena, did an episode using Hindu deities. This offended a
group of fundamentalist Hindus called the World Vaishnava Association,
formerly the International Society of Krishna Consciousness (read Hare
Krishnas), based on the belief that the episode treated Krishna as a
fictional character. The group also claimed it showed Krishna approving
Xena and Gabrielle's relationship by helping Xena save her "obviously
lesbian lover". The group then used pressure tactics via the electronic
medium of faxes and e-mail, as well as telephone calls to flood the
affiliates carrying Xena. The volume in some instances were reported to be
as much as 200 e-mails a day. Numbers have been flung about regarding how
many Hindus this group represents, from the population of India to100
billion Hindus (?!). It apparently was based on these numbers that the
affiliates forced Studios USA to cave in and, in turn, forced Renaissance
Pictures to give in as well.

The episode aired in May in this country, but is now banned from being
repeated. Moreover, it is also banned from being shown internationally.
None of these countries have had access to it, so the fans outside the
borders of the US will never see it. Guys, this is censorship. Personally,
I deeply resent anyone deciding for me what I can and cannot watch.

If you want to know more about this controversy or learn about ways to
help, I will have materials covering both the protesters' side and others
opinions, including other Hindus, in the con suite. I have a personal copy
of the episode and Jeanne has agreed to schedule showings during the con a
couple of times, more if there is any interest. Come decide for yourselves
if the episode is worthy of such a ban. For any Canadian fans who were
deprived of your opportunity to see "The Way" when Global Television pulled
it before the first airing (and before Studios USA officially banned it),
this is your chance to see it, commercials and all (contacting the sponsors
can be a good thing).

Help we Xena fans out. This could easily happen to *your* favorite show.

____________________________________________________________

I know at least one of these fans is willing to join us. There should be
more.

Finally, I would like to use some of the posts people have made here in
assembling materials for the con for members to read if they choose. If
you object, please contact me privately. I'll try to contact those of you
whose posts I want to use via your private e-mail.

bd

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From: Frankie Radford <fradford@yahoo.com>

### I think the WVA issue that 'The Way' insulted Krishna is a bit of
a political manoevering.Krishna is depicted in many Indian Movies in
conversaton with the lead character so in a sense all potrayals of
Krishna are fictional.I think the Producers depicted Krishna in a
sensitive and respectful manner and I am so surprised that Studios USA
pulled the episode.I think this sets a dangerous precedent and may be
used to further the objectives of censorship which I oppose.The
fundamental premise of Democracy is a free Press Media and Artists are
able to express their particular Art Form.To give in to this hijacking
of Democracy by the long arm of the Indian Ruling Party is wrong and
must be resisted by all lovers of the traditional values of the Western
Civilization.
fradford
> > ---

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From: Hawk <hawk@multiboard.com>

I have an idea that I'd like to propose everyone on this list:

I've been thinking lately about our approach to getting 'The Way'
reinstated to syndication.

Many of us have been writing letters to our local affiliates and TPTB
at Studios USA and Pacific Reneassance Pictures. Most of these letters
are in the form of feedback. some have been rants, others very
emotional, and some very concise.

This small group of people I think were more successful because not
only were they very vocal, they seemed to have formed a sort of an
'official' organization, and they were apparently very organized.

I feel that we could/should do the same thing. It has been my
observation that we have many people on this list that have specific
talents and resources that might be very beneficial to all of us.

I would like to suggest that if we pool our resources collectively,
then we could perhaps carry more weight with TPTB.

Virginia Kelley came up with a good idea...if there are any Graphic
Artists among us, perhaps we could have these individuals work on an
officual graphic that we could use in all of our letters and'or faxes,
and/or E-Mails to S-USA.

Those among us that are members of the Gay and Lesbian community,
perhaps they could encourage their asociated support groups to
participate in our cause. The greater our support from official
organizations the greater the lilelyhood of S-USA taking us a little
more seriously than 'just a bunch of obsessed Fans'.

Those of us that have experience as political activists can use their
experience to help coach us all.

We have some great resources to draw on, such as Lisa Tserling, we have
Professor Ravi Palat, Technical advisor to Pac REnPics for the actual
episodes, who most likely would/will have Mr T's ear directly. If we
can get them in our corner as well, we'd have even more clout. Prof.
Palat has stated that we would be more than happy to do interviews.
Perhaps we should take him up on it and get his side of the story in an
official format.

Strength in numbers is a great asset that our opponents clearly do not
have. The petition is a great idea (even though someone beat me to it,
which is fine by me. :) ), and a valuable tool.

If we have any journalists or individuals in the media on the list,
perhaps they could utilize their resources to get the word out to the
rest of the media world about our ogranization...put a bug in their
boss' ear over a coffee at lunch or something of this nature. Contact
Mr. Taptert, if not through the normal media channels, perhaps we could
ask that Professor Palat contact him directly and tell them about our
organization. Perhaps if he/they were made aware of how many we are,
and how much we wish to help, then perhaps he/they could give us some
input on what we can do and/or provide us with some resources to help
them. Remind them that we the viewers, (to coin a phrase, their "target
audience") are on their side, and are willing to work with them for the
Greater Good.

If we have any indivuals that hail from India that did not find the
episode offensive, we could use their 'testimony' as Viewers to indicate
that the right-wing splinter group that started the whole mess, in fact
does does _not_ speak for all hindus world wide, as they so vocally
claimed they did.

Remember, this is not just about a pivotal episode of our beloved show
being pulled, (and apparently Mr. Tapert's favourite episode, no less),
it's about setting a dangerous precident where anyone can censor the
artistic world if they make enough noise about it, no matter how small
they are in number.

It'a also about homophobia under the guise of religion, something of
which I find personally abhorrant.

What does everyone think? Should we form some sort of 'official'
organization, or has everyone pretty much cooled off by now?

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From: "Becky Calvert" <lostkiwi@worldnet.att.net>

Actually, the public apology Studios USA issued by proxy, using Mr. Tapert
and Renaissance Pictures as a shield, was just that--an apology and does
not represent a contract--oral or otherwise. If Studios USA wanted to
restore "The Way" to the syndication line up, they would simply have to
print a retraction. The retraction would state that they were sorry or
mistaken for the withdrawal of the episode. The retraction would have to be
bigger in size than the original document published, and circulated to more
people. The protesters would have to prove that this move would be
injurious to them to stop the reinstatement--at least that is how the law
reads in Texas (as closely as I can make out--I never took legalize in high
school).

Becky Calvert
Commander in Chief
SSPA/NBB
<http://www.nutbread.com>
>

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From: skywise@drizzle.com

Keep up the good work, Xenites. We're over 400 strong just on this mailing list.

For those of you just coming in, welcome! There are tons of good ideas here. I highly recommend going to http://www.onelist.com and checking around the List Center. You can read the archived messages from before you got here (lots of excellent points have been made, and sample letters abound), check out the bookmarks for web sites that people have posted to our list, or post messages from the Onelist web site.

(If you need help, email me at skywise@drizzle.com and I'll help you navigate the site.)

Battle on!
Kylee

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From: "Catherine M. Wilson" <cmwilson@wildestdreams.org>

No one is saying that Hindus shouldn't protest if they
feel they or their gods have been misrepresented in the
media.

We are only saying that the answer to their being
offended is not the removal of the material that
offends them.

If everything that offended anybody were removed from
public view, there would be nothing left in the world
to look at.

Kit

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From: "Sarah McKeithen" <xena200@excite.com>

*frown* I guess this is my sensitivity towards all
homosexuals that causes me to not be able to stress enough
on the fact that they were wrong, Wrong, WRONG to treat
homosexuality in that manner.

It's violating the freedom of speech and the god damned
right to be who you are!

I spose that if I were you, I'd mention the fact that they're
protesting this becuase it goes against what they believe in.

If this episode is taken off of the air, then it's going
against what WE believe in.

Nobody will be happy either way it goes.

However we did use their god, and it's not fair for us to
misuse it. So really, is it fair for us to ask for it to
continue to be on the air?

Just some of my musings... I don't know if I made much since,
but my thoughts have ME confused as hell.

Battle on!
Sarah

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From: "Kym Taborn" <ktaborn@lightspeed.net>

Original message:
> From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>>
>
> Since Studios USA and Renaissance Pictures have already
> publicly, both in the media and press, made promises to pull
> the Xena: Warrior Princess episode, 'The Way,' from worldwide
> syndication, and furthermore, promised not to make any episodes
> dealing with Hindu characters in the future, this decision might
> be considered legally binding to those parties (the Hindu factions)
> that promises were made.

I dunno what kind of meds you are using, but there is no way that it could
be legally binding. We have this thing called precedent (aka common law)
and over time it was established that one had to have not only a meeting of
minds, but also have consideration for any and all contracts made. The best
that this represents is precatory and has no legal standing.

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From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

Since Studios USA and Renaissance Pictures have already
publicly, both in the media and press, made promises to pull
the Xena: Warrior Princess episode, 'The Way,' from worldwide
syndication, and furthermore, promised not to make any episodes
dealing with Hindu characters in the future, this decision might
be considered legally binding to those parties (the Hindu factions)
that promises were made.

Release from such a contract might be found:

#1. IF It could be shown that the protestors of 'The Way' belonged
to parties such as those listed in Dr. Palat's article (Violence against
Christians in India) are in actuality a minority faction and not the
voice of the entire 1 billion Hindus worldwide. This would make a
case for voiding the contract because of MISREPRESENTATION
on the protestors part.

#2. IF the Hindu factions involved in protests against 'The Way,'
made FALSE CLAIMS, in complaints stating that the portrayal of
religious characters such as Krishna and Hanuman would be
sacriligeous if set in a fictional story. Again, Professor Palant
has openly stated that there are hundreds of such fictionalized
tv and film portrayals produced and shown in India every year by
Indian tv and filmakers.


I hope this explains some things. For a major corporation,
Studios USA/Renaissance Pictures, to have publicly
apologized and made promises to those they believed were
representatives of one of the world's largest followed religions is
a promise that would NEVER be altered or changed unless given
sound legal reasons, two of those reasons being
MISREPRESENTATION and FALSE CLAIMS as stated above.

Stand-in

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Hello,

I am a subscriber from the US, California. It isn't going to do us any good to protest from the local level on this. As much as a grass roots campaign works on many issues, the structure of syndicated TV broadcasts make that route rather futile. The best way I feel to deal with this issue is to work with Hindu groups who support freedom of speech and are not outraged by an innocent portrayal of Krishna, and Freedom of speech advocates in the US. GLAAD is a good one, but this goes beyond Gay issues. By the way that wasn't mentioned as an issue in the articles that I read. The religious group was protesting the portayal of their deities because they felt that they were portrayed in a disrespectful manner and misquoted, as well as putting the religion on the level of the ridiculous. To deal with one's "enemy", one must understand their motivation. Essentially they felt that their god was being treated as a cartoon rather than a religious figure. I agree we have every right to protest this, as they need to show tolerance, we need to show compassion. I am looking into other "freedom of Speech" organizations here. We all need to keep our heads about us and not let this become a conspiracy theory. One sect of the Hindu Faith had a very squeaky wheel and Universal Studios was trying to be fair to their sensitivities and heard them.

Above are symbols of great religions around the world. (Omitted) May we all live in Peace.

For those wondering, I did see the episode; the special effects were very good. The story line was a little weak...but all in all it was worth campaigning for. I guess the bottom line is as we unite we must do so in a way we can be respected for. Lesbians, Straights whoever we are (just in case you think I'm being too "subdued" I am a lesbian, and I do believe in what we are doing) a Calm, informed, approach will gain us more support than hysteria which I've seen the hint of through these e-mails.

I will post addresses of places to contact later today hopefully. United we will show that this is just one group that is becoming overly sensitive.

Xenites Unite!

Nameste (and Indian blessing, I felt was appropriate)

Bon

Boni L. Meredith Amethyst Arts: Fine Art and Graphic Design http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/AmethystArts

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From: simahoyo <simahoyo@blarg.net>

I just put up a page that can double as a flyer. If you don't live in
Seattleor the Pacific NW, just download, and changed the locations, and
local info. Be sure to check if your local afiliate did as KTZZ.
Simahoyo
http://www.blarg.net/~simahoyo/localfight.html

Just to mention something fimilar to what is going on with Xena that I saw on Sports Night this evening. One of the characters was upset about the fact that some religious fanatic threatened the studio because some show that is aired on the stationed depicted Jesus in a way that was not of his approval. He mentioned writing letters of protest against this ridiculous situation, kept blaming Jerry Falwell for creating such hysteria and asked why the guy could not just change the channel. Is this just coincidence? I hope not.

Sandra
--
God, please save me from your followers.

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From: Virginia V Kelly <vkellyian@compuserve.com>

Let's do it. I hope we haven't cooled off too much. We need to spend at
lease a few more weeks to a month on this. Remember, the folks who
protested this situation in the first place protested well over two months,
if I have the info. correct.

In the meantime, I've alerted a number of gay and lesbian mags in the U.S.
and have gotten an inquiry back from one so far.

Unfortunately, I'm not a graphic artist, but I can desktop publish and scan
with the best of 'em!

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From: srasmuss@webtv.net (Sue Rasmussen)

I have been reading about the ideas tonight to spread this further
reaching more people who don't have computers.
Someone mentioned the sci-fi conventions. How about the xena and
Hercules conventions. The May convention in Orlando would be a good
place to spread the word about XAC.

Lang mey yer tum reek

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From: KimyooFilm@aol.com

In a message dated 4/26/99 1:22:47 AM, you wrote:

<<I beg to differ with you. RenPics had no choice in the matter as to pulling
the episode, they didn't want to in the least. Furthermore, no one shouted
"Help!" at all. I'm sure you must have some idea how this business works,and
realize that the true ones interested in only the money aspect is the
distributors, in this case Studios USA. If they weren't interested in the
fans at all, there would be not much of a convention lineup, or even the
interest some of the staff has shown by going into chats as they have. As for
Rob Tapert not being a filmaker, not technically, but I'd like to point out
that he was highly involved in making of the Evil Dead films, as well as a
terrific director of several episodes of Xena (usually my favorites). His
hand is in every aspect of the shows. He's no mere producer, and believe me,
I've met plenty.
>>
I haven't been on in a while, but I'd like to point out that I have read more
about this and I agree that it does seem that Studios USA is the ultimate
culprit in the pulling of the episode. The whole reason why I started
watching Xena in the first place was because it was a Raimi production - I've
been a fan of his / theirs for years. I'm very familiar with the job of
producer, there are certain duties one must do that I absolutely abhor.
Because of this I know that it's not just the distributers that are concerned
with bringing in the money. RenPicts is Raimi's and Tapert's, therefore they
are heavily concerned with the income. If they don't produce a moneymaking
product for Studios USA, then they don't make money for their company to make
more products and more money, etc, etc. I would think that they have some
sort of say as to what happens to their product.

<<Another big disagreement there, too! There has never been such a gay
friendly
show...(with the exception of Ellen,but look what happened to that). Liz
Friedman is an out lesbian for crying out loud. I truly appreciate the winks
and nods the show has always made toward the gay audiences. FF&G had tons of
subtext in it.
True, Hollywood could definitely use some work in that dept., especially
considering so many that work in the industry are indeed gay. Everyone is
just afraid of alienating 'middle america' possibly, which boils down to
money. I am also well aware of a similar thing with how the industry treats
people with disabilities in the past, but things are improving there, too.
Disability activist have protested many films and shows as well, I don't
always agree. On this, I do think a counter protest was in order. I would
feel no different if it were a christian group that did this, I've seen some
do appalling attempts at censorship. The ones to target here is indeed the
distributors, not RenPics, not the Hindu group, naturally. Xenites have
learned a lot from our show, and letting our voices be heard in unison like
this, is a terrific thing to behold. >>

I adore the subtext. I live for it, in a manner of speaking. "Fins, Femmes,
and Gems" is one of my absolute favourite episodes ever. I just don't like
LL's comment in this week's TV Guide about it being a big joke. I realize it
wasn't intended at first, but it's a joke? A joke. Hmmm.............

It's all about Middle America and the green papers and clinky change in their
pockets. It's gonna take years to remove stereotypes. I'm relieved that
deleted scenes from Old Hollywood films made during the daysof the Hays
Office are being reinserted. Old Hollywood was just as "decadent" as New
Hollyweird. I was watching Turner Classic Movies the other night and they
were showing a documentary about film restoration. Hollyweird has hardly
changed -the watchdogs have, but the theme of the Legion of Decency is still
prevalent. Things are slowly progressing, but the key word is slowly.

I'm wonderfully stupified at the support shown here and I'm participating
too. I'm just scared of the "Xenalots" who are practically taking up arms to
defend their show. I don't have enough time to go through all the letters
here so I don't know who's a Xenite and who's a Xenalot. There are many who
would probably feel different about it if it were a more "local" effort. "If
the Hindus say it's wrong, THEY'RE wrong, but if Jerry Falwell says it's
wrong ,well then...it must be wrong."

<<Just my two dinars :)>>

And thank the Gods for it! =)

ROCk a little and Battle On!

Magenta

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From: bookdaft <bookdaft@voyager.net>

Hi all,

I stopped today to pick up my comics and got into a discussion of "The
Way", Hindus/Indians and other things with my comic store manager. One
thing became clear: People don't really understand what the ban means. He
and I had been talking about it last week and he mentioned in our
conversation today that another customer, who had overheard our
conversation, told him that he had thought the episode would still come out
on video. We need to emphasize that not only will the episode not be aired
again, it won't ever be available (without significant rewriting) in any
medium.

My comic store guy, as rabid a freedom-of-choice and -speech fan as I am,
offered to host a petition in his store. It then occurred to me that we
are too narrow in focus if we stay only with the Internet. It is a great
means of communication, but not everyone has a computer. I have friends
who are computerless and, obviously, wireless.

Since I am behind in reading my e-mail, forgive me if this has already been
mentioned. I suggest to those of you who are comfortable doing it, to
contact either your local library or bookstore and ask if you can leave a
hard copy petition with them. You will probably have to explain the
situation to them and they may refuse, but both libraries and bookstores
strongly believe in the freedom of speech and choice and they would be most
likely to let you leave a petition with them.

I'm going to get permission from the website(s) that have the online
petition to use their wording, but I'll transfer it to paper and leave it
with my comic store guy. I'll also leave a couple of website URLs with him
for the petition and other resources we have available to us online. He is
located near Michigan State University and gets many of the students from
there. They should have access to the Internet and it would be natural for
them to check it out.

bd

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From: "Catherine M. Wilson" <cmwilson@wildestdreams.org>

Hawk wrote:

> What does everyone think? Should we form some sort of 'official'
> organization, or has everyone pretty much cooled off by now?


I think we already *are* an organization. Not an official one, of
course, but in our diversity is our strength, in my opinion.

We are many different kinds of people with many different talents,
and we are pooling them via this list in order to achieve a
common goal. The trouble with organizing is that the organizing
itself takes up energy that could better be spent on doing our
part in the protest.

I think we can refer to Xenites Against Censorship without being
in any way 'official.' So we can have all the benefits of an
organization without the baggage.

It seems to me that each of us has managed to find a niche where
we can best use our own particular talents. I think we should
go on as we have been. Once the letters and e-mails have been
written, probably the best and easiest thing to do is get more
names on our petition, so that every week or so another fat
package will land on someone's desk.

;->

Kit

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From: xenasis@yahoo.com

Greetings Fellow Xenites,
I like you have been appalled at the pulling of The Way and the censorship surrounding it. I have sent letters to my local station (from which I recieved a very nice letter in support of The Way) and to Studio USA.
I fear however that we are not making the waves needed to reinstate The Way. Each day that goes by with no rsponse from Studio Usa is a day we lose support and the chance to have this episode reinstated.
We must act fast my friends and make our voices heard.
To get Studio USA to pay attention we must hit them where it counts. The wallet. Until they realize how much we fans are responsible for the true success of their network we will have no chance.
We can contact the stockholders. Let them know that the folks that pay the way are unhappy about their decision. We can boycott the network for 24 hours to let them see how many of us there really are. I am open to other suggestions as well. I just know that we cannot lose this battle. It is too important.
Censorship in any Culture is appalling. The Studio was dupped by this group and they want to save face.
We simply have to make them see that we are willing to boycott as well. THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR VIOLENCE!
That would defeat everything Xenites stand for.
Xena stands for the little guy. Good against evil and folks a big evil has reared its head.
This show has done something no other show has. It has united those of different, races, ages, sexes, lifestyles, education and economic backgrounds. That is an impressive feat and not an easy one. I don't want to lose this.
I support Mr Tappert, Ren Pic and the staff and crew that worked on this episode. They created a show that stired my interest in the Hindu culture. That interest has waned in the insuing Controversy.
My final words to you. Fight for your rights. Not with violence but with your brains and other skills. My motto and that of my tribe members on the net is SHOW ME THE WAY!
USA Studios--- SHOW US THE WAY!
April

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From: "MARTINE DE GRAUW" <dynamicone@hotmail.com>

Silea,

Very good idea. A friend of mine who lives in the Netherlands (and
I'm in Belgium) received the original episode from a USA friend.
She looked at it and asked why there is a protest anyhow! It seems
there is nothing wrong with the episode! Althoug some very hard
scenes regarding Gaby and Xena, but only a few! For the rest there
is much and good subtext in acting (we know already that Lucy and
Renée are great actresses). There is nothing else to protest too,
according to my friend.

So, please, write to those Hindu's. I can always support you if you
give me some addresses!

A belgian Xenite
Martine

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From: "Silea Lawless" <sileakicksbutt@hotmail.com>

Hi Guys- listen, I've been thinking. We've been writing letters,
emails etc. to Channel Ten protesting the censorship, all of which
will probably have little effect, as Studios USA is the big boss.
However, perhaps, in order to give our argument some weight, as
someone suggested earlier (sorry, can't remember who :-) that we
should get the support of Hindu's who have seen or have heard about
this episode and don't have a problem with it. Undoubtably, Hindu's
in Australia would have been informed of the Hindu protest,
especially if they belong to Organisations. Why don't we start
writing to these Hindu organisations in Aus and see what they think?
After all, if we write to Ten and Studios USA, showing them that
(hopefully) the tide has turned in favour of the episode here in Aus,
it'll give our letters more weight. I know that the main problem we
have is that we haven't seen "The Way" yet, but it's worth a shot.
What do you think?
Silea

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From: cjkruger@email.com

I just had a thought-believe it or not!!
What if the character of "krishna" was given another name.I mean if "they're" upset about the portrayal of krishna, why not just change the name.BUT I suppose they would find something wrong with that too.
I think the idea of combining all our efforts is an excellent idea.Let us know what we can do.
I would like to know though what Lucy and Renee think about all of this.Are they on our side or are they sitting on the fence watching.A interview or input from them to show their "appreciation" or any other feeling for that matter would be inspiring and at least show us and those we oppose that the people we're standing up for also believe in our cause.Do they even know about us? I'd alsolike to know why,if it was his favourite episode yet,Rob gave up so easily.It's one thing to apologise about it but to take it out completely makes me think he's not able to stand by his work.I hope that's not the case.Maybe a word from him to us.the people standing up for HIS creation wouldn't hurt.
How do we contact them?
I hope I have said everything.Thoughts pop into my head during the day and always when I'm away from a computer.
Anyhow,we need a list of what we can do and where to send protests and emails.So somebody create a
list and well list them.

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From: xenasis@yahoo.com

Greetings Fellow Xenites,
I like you have been appalled at the pulling of The Way and the censorship surrounding it. I have sent letters to my local station (from which I recieved a very nice letter in support of The Way) and to Studio USA.
I fear however that we are not making the waves needed to reinstate The Way. Each day that goes by with no rsponse from Studio Usa is a day we lose support and the chance to have this episode reinstated.
We must act fast my friends and make our voices heard.
To get Studio USA to pay attention we must hit them where it counts. The wallet. Until they realize how much we fans are responsible for the true success of their network we will have no chance.
We can contact the stockholders. Let them know that the folks that pay the way are unhappy about their decision. We can boycott the network for 24 hours to let them see how many of us there really are. I am open to other suggestions as well. I just know that we cannot lose this battle. It is too important.
Censorship in any Culture is appalling. The Studio was dupped by this group and they want to save face.
We simply have to make them see that we are willing to boycott as well. THIS IS NOT A CALL FOR VIOLENCE!
That would defeat everything Xenites stand for.
Xena stands for the little guy. Good against evil and folks a big evil has reared its head.
This show has done something no other show has. It has united those of different, races, ages, sexes, lifestyles, education and economic backgrounds. That is an impressive feat and not an easy one. I don't want to lose this.
I support Mr Tappert, Ren Pic and the staff and crew that worked on this episode. They created a show that stired my interest in the Hindu culture. That interest has waned in the insuing Controversy.
My final words to you. Fight for your rights. Not with violence but with your brains and other skills. My motto and that of my tribe members on the net is SHOW ME THE WAY!
USA Studios--- SHOW US THE WAY!
April

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From: Frankie Radford <fradford@yahoo.com>

### I think the WVA issue that 'The Way' insulted Krishna is a bit of
a political manoevering.Krishna is depicted in many Indian Movies in
conversaton with the lead character so in a sense all potrayals of
Krishna are fictional.I think the Producers depicted Krishna in a
sensitive and respectful manner and I am so surprised that Studios USA
pulled the episode.I think this sets a dangerous precedent and may be
used to further the objectives of censorship which I oppose.The
fundamental premise of Democracy is a free Press Media and Artists are
able to express their particular Art Form.To give in to this hijacking
of Democracy by the long arm of the Indian Ruling Party is wrong and
must be resisted by all lovers of the traditional values of the Western
Civilization.
fradford

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From: Hawk <hawk@multiboard.com>

I have an idea that I'd like to propose everyone on this list:

I've been thinking lately about our approach to getting 'The Way'
reinstated to syndication.

Many of us have been writing letters to our local affiliates and TPTB
at Studios USA and Pacific Reneassance Pictures. Most of these letters
are in the form of feedback. some have been rants, others very
emotional, and some very concise.

This small group of people I think were more successful because not
only were they very vocal, they seemed to have formed a sort of an
'official' organization, and they were apparently very organized.

I feel that we could/should do the same thing. It has been my
observation that we have many people on this list that have specific
talents and resources that might be very beneficial to all of us.

I would like to suggest that if we pool our resources collectively,
then we could perhaps carry more weight with TPTB.

Virginia Kelley came up with a good idea...if there are any Graphic
Artists among us, perhaps we could have these individuals work on an
officual graphic that we could use in all of our letters and'or faxes,
and/or E-Mails to S-USA.

Those among us that are members of the Gay and Lesbian community,
perhaps they could encourage their asociated support groups to
participate in our cause. The greater our support from official
organizations the greater the lilelyhood of S-USA taking us a little
more seriously than 'just a bunch of obsessed Fans'.

Those of us that have experience as political activists can use their
experience to help coach us all.

We have some great resources to draw on, such as Lisa Tserling, we have
Professor Ravi Palat, Technical advisor to Pac REnPics for the actual
episodes, who most likely would/will have Mr T's ear directly. If we
can get them in our corner as well, we'd have even more clout. Prof.
Palat has stated that we would be more than happy to do interviews.
Perhaps we should take him up on it and get his side of the story in an
official format.

Strength in numbers is a great asset that our opponents clearly do not
have. The petition is a great idea (even though someone beat me to it,
which is fine by me. :) ), and a valuable tool.

If we have any journalists or individuals in the media on the list,
perhaps they could utilize their resources to get the word out to the
rest of the media world about our ogranization...put a bug in their
boss' ear over a coffee at lunch or something of this nature. Contact
Mr. Taptert, if not through the normal media channels, perhaps we could
ask that Professor Palat contact him directly and tell them about our
organization. Perhaps if he/they were made aware of how many we are,
and how much we wish to help, then perhaps he/they could give us some
input on what we can do and/or provide us with some resources to help
them. Remind them that we the viewers, (to coin a phrase, their "target
audience") are on their side, and are willing to work with them for the
Greater Good.

If we have any indivuals that hail from India that did not find the
episode offensive, we could use their 'testimony' as Viewers to indicate
that the right-wing splinter group that started the whole mess, in fact
does does _not_ speak for all hindus world wide, as they so vocally
claimed they did.

Remember, this is not just about a pivotal episode of our beloved show
being pulled, (and apparently Mr. Tapert's favourite episode, no less),
it's about setting a dangerous precident where anyone can censor the
artistic world if they make enough noise about it, no matter how small
they are in number.

It'a also about homophobia under the guise of religion, something of
which I find personally abhorrant.

What does everyone think? Should we form some sort of 'official'
organization, or has everyone pretty much cooled off by now?

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From: "Becky Calvert" <lostkiwi@worldnet.att.net>

Actually, the public apology Studios USA issued by proxy, using Mr. Tapert
and Renaissance Pictures as a shield, was just that--an apology and does
not represent a contract--oral or otherwise. If Studios USA wanted to
restore "The Way" to the syndication line up, they would simply have to
print a retraction. The retraction would state that they were sorry or
mistaken for the withdrawal of the episode. The retraction would have to be
bigger in size than the original document published, and circulated to more
people. The protesters would have to prove that this move would be
injurious to them to stop the reinstatement--at least that is how the law
reads in Texas (as closely as I can make out--I never took legalize in high
school).

Becky Calvert
Commander in Chief
SSPA/NBB
<http://www.nutbread.com>
>

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From: skywise@drizzle.com

Keep up the good work, Xenites. We're over 400 strong just on this mailing list.

For those of you just coming in, welcome! There are tons of good ideas here. I highly recommend going to http://www.onelist.com and checking around the List Center. You can read the archived messages from before you got here (lots of excellent points have been made, and sample letters abound), check out the bookmarks for web sites that people have posted to our list, or post messages from the Onelist web site.

(If you need help, email me at skywise@drizzle.com and I'll help you navigate the site.)

Battle on!
Kylee

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From: "Catherine M. Wilson" <cmwilson@wildestdreams.org>

No one is saying that Hindus shouldn't protest if they
feel they or their gods have been misrepresented in the
media.

We are only saying that the answer to their being
offended is not the removal of the material that
offends them.

If everything that offended anybody were removed from
public view, there would be nothing left in the world
to look at.

Kit
>

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From: "Sarah McKeithen" <xena200@excite.com>

*frown* I guess this is my sensitivity towards all
homosexuals that causes me to not be able to stress enough
on the fact that they were wrong, Wrong, WRONG to treat
homosexuality in that manner.

It's violating the freedom of speech and the god damned
right to be who you are!

I spose that if I were you, I'd mention the fact that they're
protesting this becuase it goes against what they believe in.

If this episode is taken off of the air, then it's going
against what WE believe in.

Nobody will be happy either way it goes.

However we did use their god, and it's not fair for us to
misuse it. So really, is it fair for us to ask for it to
continue to be on the air?

Just some of my musings... I don't know if I made much since,
but my thoughts have ME confused as hell.

Battle on!
Sarah

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From: "Kym Taborn" <ktaborn@lightspeed.net>

Original message:
> From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>>
>
> Since Studios USA and Renaissance Pictures have already
> publicly, both in the media and press, made promises to pull
> the Xena: Warrior Princess episode, 'The Way,' from worldwide
> syndication, and furthermore, promised not to make any episodes
> dealing with Hindu characters in the future, this decision might
> be considered legally binding to those parties (the Hindu factions)
> that promises were made.

I dunno what kind of meds you are using, but there is no way that it could
be legally binding. We have this thing called precedent (aka common law)
and over time it was established that one had to have not only a meeting of
minds, but also have consideration for any and all contracts made. The best
that this represents is precatory and has no legal standing.

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From: i e <stand-in@juno.com>

Since Studios USA and Renaissance Pictures have already
publicly, both in the media and press, made promises to pull
the Xena: Warrior Princess episode, 'The Way,' from worldwide
syndication, and furthermore, promised not to make any episodes
dealing with Hindu characters in the future, this decision might
be considered legally binding to those parties (the Hindu factions)
that promises were made.

Release from such a contract might be found:

#1. IF It could be shown that the protestors of 'The Way' belonged
to parties such as those listed in Dr. Palat's article (Violence against
Christians in India) are in actuality a minority faction and not the
voice of the entire 1 billion Hindus worldwide. This would make a
case for voiding the contract because of MISREPRESENTATION
on the protestors part.

#2. IF the Hindu factions involved in protests against 'The Way,'
made FALSE CLAIMS, in complaints stating that the portrayal of
religious characters such as Krishna and Hanuman would be
sacriligeous if set in a fictional story. Again, Professor Palant
has openly stated that there are hundreds of such fictionalized
tv and film portrayals produced and shown in India every year by
Indian tv and filmakers.


I hope this explains some things. For a major corporation,
Studios USA/Renaissance Pictures, to have publicly
apologized and made promises to those they believed were
representatives of one of the world's largest followed religions is
a promise that would NEVER be altered or changed unless given
sound legal reasons, two of those reasons being
MISREPRESENTATION and FALSE CLAIMS as stated above.

Stand-in

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Hello,

I am a subscriber from the US, California. It isn't going to do us any good to protest from the local level on this. As much as a grass roots campaign works on many issues, the structure of syndicated TV broadcasts make that route rather futile. The best way I feel to deal with this issue is to work with Hindu groups who support freedom of speech and are not outraged by an innocent portrayal of Krishna, and Freedom of speech advocates in the US. GLAAD is a good one, but this goes beyond Gay issues. By the way that wasn't mentioned as an issue in the articles that I read. The religious group was protesting the portayal of their deities because they felt that they were portrayed in a disrespectful manner and misquoted, as well as putting the religion on the level of the ridiculous. To deal with one's "enemy", one must understand their motivation. Essentially they felt that their god was being treated as a cartoon rather than a religious figure. I agree we have every right to protest this, as they need to show tolerance, we need to show compassion. I am looking into other "freedom of Speech" organizations here. We all need to keep our heads about us and not let this become a conspiracy theory. One sect of the Hindu Faith had a very squeaky wheel and Universal Studios was trying to be fair to their sensitivities and heard them.

Above are symbols of great religions around the world. (Omitted) May we all live in Peace.

For those wondering, I did see the episode; the special effects were very good. The story line was a little weak...but all in all it was worth campaigning for. I guess the bottom line is as we unite we must do so in a way we can be respected for. Lesbians, Straights whoever we are (just in case you think I'm being too "subdued" I am a lesbian, and I do believe in what we are doing) a Calm, informed, approach will gain us more support than hysteria which I've seen the hint of through these e-mails.

I will post addresses of places to contact later today hopefully. United we will show that this is just one group that is becoming overly sensitive.

Xenites Unite!

Nameste (and Indian blessing, I felt was appropriate)

Bon

Boni L. Meredith Amethyst Arts: Fine Art and Graphic Design http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/AmethystArts

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From: simahoyo <simahoyo@blarg.net>

I just put up a page that can double as a flyer. If you don't live in
Seattleor the Pacific NW, just download, and changed the locations, and
local info. Be sure to check if your local afiliate did as KTZZ.
Simahoyo
http://www.blarg.net/~simahoyo/localfight.html

Just to mention something fimilar to what is going on with Xena that I saw on Sports Night this evening. One of the characters was upset about the fact that some religious fanatic threatened the studio because some show that is aired on the stationed depicted Jesus in a way that was not of his approval. He mentioned writing letters of protest against this ridiculous situation, kept blaming Jerry Falwell for creating such hysteria and asked why the guy could not just change the channel. Is this just coincidence? I hope not.

Sandra
--
God, pleas